gxseries Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Nowadays, coin designs are not taken very seriously, as they are usually flat, or reeded. The reason why? Probably because there is no need for such high technology counterfeiting devices like the 1700-1800 period. During those times, crude strikes existed and such edge "protection" was possibly needed as a counterfeit device. I guess the reason why such technologies are not employed nowadays is because of the high running costs and it is reasonably hard to counterfeit recent design coins. (although Japan's 500 yen (approximately 5 dollar) coin was counterfeited twice in the last 8 years or so ) So going back to the topic, do you know any interesting coin edge designs? I know that France used to be pretty big on this time and this was evident in their franc coins. I think 10 franc was one of them. The most insane one that I know of is this one: LOL WHAT COIN IS THIS?!?!?! You can have a good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobo Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The modern British 2 pound coin has "Standing on the shoulders of giants" inscribed on the edge. It's an Issac Newton quote. I think that's pretty neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbycoin Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The big silver coins that I won from Stu have writing on the side. If I remember correctly it is a restrike. But I cant remember anything else about it. Stu? -Bobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Some links here for you to enjoy Ripped out from Uzedenkov, Russian coins 1700-1917, this is a rather decent book to read. P.S. each of them is about 250kb or so. Pretty big http://img192.echo.cx/img192/6208/rusbookedge017ti.jpg http://img45.echo.cx/img45/6803/rusbookedge029pd.jpg http://img117.echo.cx/img117/5492/rusbookedge038hm.jpg http://img27.echo.cx/img27/6986/rusbookedge042yc.jpg I think I will remove these in a week's time... Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggit Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 GX that one looks like a wine cork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 How do you see it as a wine cork? O_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggit Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The thickness, texture and color reminds me of a wine cork. Then again maybe I just need a drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 OH that massive copper ruble You might be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggit Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The modern British 2 pound coin has "Standing on the shoulders of giants" inscribed on the edge. It's an Issac Newton quote.I think that's pretty neat. Is that what the 1 pound coins say? Is that in latin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numismatistnick Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I have always liked the edge on german Hindenburg coinage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabone Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Several middle-eastern countries large silver have edge inscriptions. Turkey comes to mind as well, but I can not remember the denomination, and as I am at work, cannot look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobo Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I'm not sure what the one pound coins say, probably something about the queen but it is latin. The two pound coins celebrate british industry thourgh the ages, hence the Newton quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie582 Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Just for information. The edge inscriptions on British pound coins are : - DECUS ET TUTAMEN (English) NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT (Scottish) PLEIDIOL WYF I'M GWLAD (Welsh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16d Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Romania 500 lei 1944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trantor_3 Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dutch coins: pre euro 1 gulden, 2.5 gulden and 5 gulden and now the 2 euro coin carry the incuse edge inscription "GOD * ZIJ * MET * ONS *" which means "God be with us". The 1966 Italy 500 lire coin that I posted in the "coins wth ships" thread in "World and Ancient" has raised edge lettering, It says "REPUBLICA ITALIANA *** 1966 ***" All 2 euro coins have edge lettering in a reeded edge. Some countries only have 2's in it others have more text and only Germany and The Netherlnads have a real motto, if I remember correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 All 2 euro coins have edge lettering in a reeded edge. Some countries only have 2's in it others have more text and only Germany and The Netherlnads have a real motto, if I remember correctly The German €2 pieces have "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit", the first words of the national anthem, on the edge. The ones from Finland and Greece have the country names ... The edge of the 2 cent coin is interesting too. While milled pieces have many vertical lines on the edge, this coin has one horizontal line. The 20 ct pieces have a "Spanish flower" shape. Several countries have polygonal coins, such as the UK 20p and 50p pieces which have seven "sides", or the Austrian €5 collector coins with nine sides. Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syzygy Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Nowadays, coin designs are not taken very seriously, as they are usually flat, or reeded. The reason why? Probably because there is no need for such high technology counterfeiting devices like the 1700-1800 period. During those times, crude strikes existed and such edge "protection" was possibly needed as a counterfeit device. I recall reading that another reason for reeding the edges (at one time) was to discourage shaving the coin - the idea being that removing a small amount of precious metal from a large number of coins would gain you a significant amount of precious metal. Yeh, I agree that not enough edge attention is being paid by designers. I like the ornate edge on this common 5 rupee (India-Republic, KM#154.1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Nowadays, coin designs are not taken very seriously, as they are usually flat, or reeded. The reason why? Probably because there is no need for such high technology counterfeiting devices like the 1700-1800 period. During those times, crude strikes existed and such edge "protection" was possibly needed as a counterfeit device. Reeded or Milled edges were introduced at varying times in varying places. Most commonly in the 17th/18th centuries with the progression away from hammered coins and onto machine made coins with milled edges, hence the term milled coinage. Other feature such as edge lettering were introduced for the same reason as the milling was introduced, to prevent people from clipping silver off of the coins and passing underweight coins on. Hence why British coins of this period are enscribed 'DECVS ET TVTAMEN' (An Ornament and Safeguard). Gold coins were similarly done. Which brings to mind one story about eighteenth century England. Up until a certain point the edge milling on the gold guinea had been like most of the other denominations, set diagonally. However due to the prevalence of the guinea filers, who would file gold from the edges of the coin and then reingrave the reeding, something had to be done. It was noted that certain issues were more suceptible than others to this filing. Issues where the legends were near to the edge generally escaped, but coins where there was a gap between the legend and the edge of the coin usually got filed down. Thus by the mid-late 18th century the mint changed the obverse and reverse legends so that they were as close to the edge as possible and then the edge milling was altered from the diagonal style to a chevron style. The problem was greatly solved on the new coins. So the edges of coins don't just make forgery more difficult, they also ensured that making a profit at the mint's expense was greatly reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 One interesting one is the Petition Crown of Charles II. Thomas Simon created it in an attempt to win the office of mintmaster. His pattern crown included a petition or plea asking the king to examine his crown and compare it to that of the other suplicants and if it was better made then to award him the office. Now I have just paraphased the petition, but on the edge of the coin it runs for some thirty words or so in two lines and in several different fonts. I couldn't find the exact wording of the petition but I did find a picture of it here. http://www.coinvideos.org/Introduction/page-sv22w.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 OMG wow, that edge is fasinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 The big silver coins that I won from Stu have writing on the side. If I remember correctly it is a restrike. But I cant remember anything else about it. Stu? -Bobby <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That would be the Maria Theresa retrike, I believe. From: http://www.eurocollections.com/cointalk/mtt_history.php Merchants and traders preferred these coins because of their high quality and reliability. The raised edge-lettering “IUSTITIA-ET-CLEMENTIA” (motto of the Empress: Justice and Clemency ) was a welcome safeguard against the dishonest practice of “clipping” coins (that is, cutting or shaving silver from the edge of the coin). The Maria Theresa Taler could be trusted. That is also the coin I was going to mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Oli Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 I couldn't find the exact wording of the petition but I did find a picture of it here. It reads: THOMAS SIMON . MOST HVMBLY . PRAYS . YOUR . MAJESTY TO . COMPARE . THIS . HIS . TRYALL . PIECE . WITH . THE . DVTCH . AND . IF . MORE (second line) TRVLY . DRAWN & EMBOSS'D . MORE . GRACE : FVLLY . ORDER'D . AND . MORE . ACCVRATELY . ENGRAVEN . TO . RELIEVE . HIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 It reads: THOMAS SIMON . MOST HVMBLY . PRAYS . YOUR . MAJESTY TO . COMPARE . THIS . HIS . TRYALL . PIECE . WITH . THE . DVTCH . AND . IF . MORE (second line) TRVLY . DRAWN & EMBOSS'D . MORE . GRACE : FVLLY . ORDER'D . AND . MORE . ACCVRATELY . ENGRAVEN . TO . RELIEVE . HIM. Mr Simon was to be disappointed, as John Roettier retained the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sisu Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 The German €2 pieces have "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit", the first words of the national anthem, on the edge. The ones from Finland and Greece have the country names ... The Finnish 1 markka (1964 type) and 5 markkaa (1972 nad 1979 types) also had incuse edge inscriptions: Suomi Finland and Suomen Tasavalta respectively. I had always liked that feature and was disappointed when it was lost with the redesign in the early 1990's. The edge of the 2 cent coin is interesting too. While milled pieces have many vertical lines on the edge, this coin has one horizontal line. ... I found this very interesting myself. The first time I saw this in Germany I thought I had either an error or a coin that had two sides glued together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Hehe, so much design effort for such a low value coin :-) Maybe that "line" was added to make it easier for blind people to recognize them ... Another interesting edge design is that of the Swiss 5 fr coins. The pieces have an insciption (Dominus providebit) which used to be incuse until the late 1960s, then elevated until the mid-80s, then incuse again until 1993, and elevated again since then ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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