gxseries Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 This coin is actually a gift from Banivechi - thank you for spotting such great coin!!! While overstriking coins aren't really new to Russia, the appearance of overstriked coins are usually ugly, if not confusing at times. And there are times when overstriked coins were again overstruck, not only to make the coins look uglier than ever before but also leaving almost no traces of the very first struck image that was supposed to exist in the first place. And this is no exception: This coin survived more than 250 years of history and ridicious enviroments to tell a tale. Not only that, all three dates are perfectly preserved in this coin, which is almost impossible to occur on a double overstrike!!! And here is a story of a typical double overstriked that occured during that era: The reason why this was done was because the denomination was fixed upon the weight and value of copper at the time. As you can see, the coins were minted for quite a short period of time due to the instability of copper prices. And because there wasn't enough time to melt down the old planchets and create new ones, this is when overstriking occured. And hence... the above coin is also no exception... Except that this coin was lucky and it has all three dates present!!! The dates are as follows: 1759 2 kopeks over 1755 1 kopek over 1727 5 kopeks (WOW!!!) Close up images of the numbers - Top number: 1727, bottom: 1755 - The most probable reason of how three dates got preserved is most probably because the first overstrike didn't managed to make a huge impression and hence on the first strike the underlying image didn't disappear. However on the second strike, it seems that the strike too was slightly soft, and because of how the year 1755 just happened to be in the wreath area, it just managed to survive under such unusual strike. Not only that, the first date 1727 got preserved too!!! Unfortunately, the reverse side was slightly unlucky as it seems that the final overstrike did it's troll overall Nevertheless, this is quite a difficult find, if not almost a pure stroke of luck. Feel free to check out my other overstriked coins that I have in omnicoin presently... Hope you enjoyed reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 If you look closer at the St. George's horse, over the back leg you will find the left neck and head of the small double headed eagle from 5 kop. 1727, and in field some traces of the clouds from 1 kop 1755! And I'm curious what kind of rim it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Wow. I can actually make out all three strikes rather clearly. That's just awesome! I'd be proud of that coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Congratulations on your very interesting coin. The triple date makes it an excellent example of the overstriking programs. But can you find a 4 kopeks of Peter III showing these undertypes? Or maybe even a 2 kopeks of Catherine II overstruck on those? At least in theory, you could have Catherine II 2 kopeks overstruck on Peter III (1762) 4 kopeks overstruck on 1757-62 2 kopeks over 1755-57 1 kopek over the 1723-30 krestovik (5 kopeks) for up to 4 different overstrikes all on the same coin! To find this one with 3 different visible dates is very special. That is a nice coin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Thank you Grivna1726! Yes, it's quite possible but I serious doubt if such coins can last over 4 overstrikes... I do have a few Peter III overstriked coins which you can see it at omnicoin. The real trouble is trying to find a 1k overstriked coin - for some reason it seems to be harder to locate... Here are some of mine: 1763 2k over 1762 4k over some year 1766 2k over 1762 4k And a 1788MM over 1762 10k... Hopefully they are clear enough for you to see the underlying images... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 That 1766 sure is an ugly coin. Any idea why it is almost egg shaped? Mint damage from the second strike or just from the years of circulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 That 1766 2kopek got shaved edges sadly But actually the overstrike did cause the coin planchet to crack very badly - so bad that I swear I could split the coin into half if I am not careful... You can see the parts of the word "четыре копейки"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Im having a hard time locating the 1755 date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Im having a hard time locating the 1755 date. 7pm obverse, just past the cipher, towards the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 7pm obverse, just past the cipher, towards the edge. WOW!!!! Sharp eyes, fellas! I looked right past the date because it blends in so well with the laurel wreath. I guess you really have to scrutinize all of these pyataks if you want to have a chance of finding overstruck coins. At least now I know what to look for on these 5K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You sure dug up a lot of my older posts when I was younger... That's right, I was hunting the 1795 MM coins over Sadagura coinage back then. Good times! Nick, you know you can check out the rest of my collection over at omnicoin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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